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click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer How was the Input Energy calculated?

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click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer Why is the energy for the oscillator circuit included in the Energy Quotient factor?

click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer Have you attempted to confirm the result by another method?

click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer What effect does the equivalent series resistance (ESR) of the capacitor have on the results?

click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer When measuring the capacitance value, shouldn't the ESR be added to the external load to get the correct C value?

click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer Doesn't the ESR cause the on-load voltage of the capacitors to be lower than the off-load voltage?

click to view Doc Ringwood's Answer How did you account for ESR when calculating the stored charge?

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Were the capacitor values measured or assumed?

they were measured - i used the RC-constant discharge-time method:

i noted the time taken for a charge on the capacitor to discharge to 37% through a measured resistive load and then divided that time by the load resistance to give the capacitance (measurements were repeated for confirmation)

the load resistor value (468R for the 0.25F; 10KR for the 4700uF) was sufficiently high to enable the internal self-resistance of the capacitor to be ignored

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What level of test-instrument errors could have been introduced?

my voltmeter and 'scope readings were compared with a voltmeter calibrated to National Standards - representative sample readings showed agreement of my test instruments to within approx 1% of the calibrated meter

later tests with a 2-channel PC scope showed agreement within 2% of the calibrated meter

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How was the Input Energy calculated?

the input capacitor was disconnected and pre-charged from a battery, via a low-value resistor, to approx 8.1V and allowed to self-discharge to 8.0V; it was then connected to the remainder of the circuit which was allowed to operate until the voltage on the input capacitor had discharged to 7.0V (the switching operation was adjusted to make the charge-transfer take approximately 45 seconds)

the energy input to the circuit was calculated as the difference between the energy stored on that capacitance value at 8.0V minus the energy stored at 7.0V

the voltages on the input capacitor were measured by voltmeter:
 - the start-voltage was the off-load voltage, taken before the circuit was connected;
 - the end-voltage was an on-load voltage, taken as the circuit was operating


later tests used a 2-channel PC scope which enabled the end-voltage on C1 to be read at a point following the final charge pulse and therefore also off-load

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How was the Output Energy calculated?

prior to a test, the output capacitor was discharged and then shorted until immediately before the test started; the total energy stored on the output capacitor was calculated using the end-voltage charge on that capacitance value

the output capacitor voltage was measured from the scope trace (in storage mode) at the point just following when the circuit operation had been stopped; this reading represents the off-load voltage of the capacitor

the final step of each test was to discharge the output capacitor through the resistive load
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Why is the energy for the oscillator circuit included in the Energy Quotient factor?

i've defined the Energy Quotient to represent 'what you get' for 'what you pay' 

'what you pay' is charge consumed from the capacitor (at cost, C)

'what you get for your money' is:
a) 'heat from the load' for time t (using energy, E1)
b) 'electrical activity in the oscillator' for time t (using energy, E2)

both a) & b) represent real work done
both a) & b) require energy to do that work

in the case of the switched-charge circuit:
the EQ = (E1 + E2) / C

(as mentioned in the results, there is also unaccounted additional energy being used by losses in the MOSFETs and as noise)


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Have you attempted to confirm the result by another method?

let's say that, due to my failing eyesight and increasingly feeble mind, i measure my input or output capacitance wrongly

not only that, but i measure wrongly in such a way that the input capacitance holds more energy/volt than i think - or the output holds less than i think

what effect would this have on the results?

well, if i was out by 10% on only one capacitance, then either:

- a larger-than-measured input capacitor would be providing more energy for a 1V drop than i thought

- or a smaller-than-measured output capacitor would need less energy than i thought to charge to 2.67V 

the net effect would be the same: either of these measurement errors would tend to cause the Energy Quotient (EQ) value to appear greater than it should be - the results would look greater than 1 when in fact they were certainly under 

of course, if i measured both capacitances wrongly, i would end up with a greater false-indication of energy gain


so here is a second test which would confirm whether there was capacitance measurement error in the first test:

- swap the input and output capacitances and repeat the experiment


now, if there was a single capacitance measurement error, then either:

- a smaller-than-measured capacitor would be providing less energy for a 1V drop than i thought

- or a larger-than-measured capacitor would need more energy than i thought to charge to 2.67V 

the net effect would be the same: either of these measurement errors would tend to cause the EQ value to appear lower than it should be - the results would definitely look less than 1

if i measured both capacitances wrongly, i would end up with an even lower value of EQ


i've performed this second test and re-run the experiment with capacitors swapped and i'm measuring results around 3.1V on the 'new' output cap

the results of the second test  [which also make EQ > 1]  confirm that the capacitance measurements are good and also confirm the relative difference in values between C1 and C3


the 'Latest' section of this site contains the results of measuring the energy converted on the resistive load to confirm whether the 'textbook' claim for equal energy values stored and dissipated as work in achieving the stored energy is true


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What effect does the equivalent series resistance (ESR) of the capacitor have on the results?

in the early days of supercaps the AC ESR values could be in the kilohm region but things have moved on since then - there is a greater range of characteristics for different application device groups - milli-ohm ESR values are easily achievable now

the caps i'm using exhibit sub 1R ESR under representative conditions

taking ESR into account:-

- when charging a capacitor in this circuit, the RC time-constant will be affected slightly but not the final off-load voltage - the timing can always be adjusted, if necessary, to enable the capacitor to reach the required voltage level

- when discharging a capacitor in this circuit, again the RC time-constant will be affected slightly (and the timing can be adjusted to compensate for this, if necessary)

  however, the terminal voltage will be lower than the cap plate voltage according to its potential-division by the relative values of the ESR and the load resistance - the effect of the ESR voltage drop for a given cap can be reduced to a required level by adjustment of the load resistance - or the ESR can be reduced by choosing a suitable capacitor

in terms of charge and energy measurement, an off-load reading of a charged capacitor will be essentially unaffected by ESR in this circuit - an on-load reading of a capacitor being discharged will tend to suggest that more energy has been used than is the case (the extent depending on the relative values of the ESR & load)

for the input capacitor , the effect makes the EQ factor appear less than it really is because there is not as much energy being supplied to the circuit as we think

for the output capacitor , the effect makes the EQ factor appear more than it really is because not all of the stored energy is being supplied to the load

the net result on the whole circuit is that these two effects tend to compensate for each other and this can be optimised by suitable selection of components and their values

the 4700uF capacitors have ESR values around 0.1 ohm


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When measuring the capacitance value, shouldn't the ESR be added to the external load to get the correct C value?

it depends on the relative magnitudes of the actual ESR & load used

the load resistance in the measurement of capacitance, in this case, was 468 ohm for the 0.25F stack (<1 ohm ESR) and 10K ohm for the  4700uF capacitors (~0.1 ohm ESR)

so practically, no - the ESR contribution is negligible


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Doesn't the ESR cause the on-load voltage of the capacitors to be lower than the off-load voltage?

correct - this is completely separate from the self-recharge phenomenon, which occurs, over time, in the off-load state - ie. after the instantaneous on-load to off-load transition has occurred

by definition the ESR cannot influence the stored voltage once its serial connection to an external load has been opened

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How did you account for ESR when calculating the stored charge?

the calculation of stored charge (and energy) in the capacitors relies initially on measurement of their capacitance and subsequently on measurement of their terminal voltage

the capacitor voltage result measurements were made effectively off-load, using test devices presenting a load which was several orders of magnitude greater than the ESR of the capacitors involved in the test, creating negligible 'potential division' at the test nodes

the relevance of ESR in measuring the capacitance was addressed in the
When measuring the capacitance value... FAQ above 

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How did you measure pulsed waveforms accurately?

no pulsed waveforms were used for measurements in the original tests

when taking current-draw measurements of the supply to the oscillator circuit, potential noise was decoupled using 100uF and 0.1uF capacitors across the supply 

all other measurements were taken as DC voltage readings on either the input or output capacitors


in later tests, the digital data from the 2-channel PC scope was recorded to file and then input to Excel to calculate instantaneous Power readings per sample

the instantaneous power values were then averaged and multiplied by the appropriate period to give energy values

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What's the difference between the operation of this switched-capacitor circuit and just connecting the charged input capacitor directly to the uncharged output capacitor?

the measurement procedure of the input and output states can be the same but what happens in the two types of circuit between those two states is very different

the most 'visible' difference, of course, is the number of charge transfer 'cycles' which occur in each method

i understand that the direct 'passive' circuit connection can exhibit a slow oscillation of charge between the input and output capacitors which eventually settles to a steady-state where the charge is divided between the two capacitors in proportion to their respective capacitance values - this corresponds to an equal terminal voltage on each (measured effectively off-load, to avoid ESR issues!)

a 'less-visible' but still significant difference between the two methods is that in the direct-connection case the energy can flow back & forth until equilibrium is reached - however, in the case of the switched-capacitor circuit the charge is transferred in small 'packets' and the output cap gets disconnected from the input cap by the switch, on each cycle, either whilst still charging, or having just reached its maximum step charge 

this regular disconnection prevents the oscillation of charge between the input and output capacitors - an asymmetry has been introduced into the circuit: charge can only flow in one direction - from input to output

the switching operation is like an 'integral' approximation of an analogue function - input charge still 'flows' to output, albeit in quanta, but in effect the charge pump has 'rectified' the ebb & flow of the single-cycle process
 
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